Hey guys. I had an argument today and another one yesterday with my vegetarian boyfriend where he turned out to be a MUCH bigger speciesist than I thought he was. He said that what I do is much worse than participating in the animal industry; namely, that my having intense negative emotions (like being pissed off) that he can feel, looking at him with intense eyes when I'm angry, and that I can be selfish are worse. Worse. Worse than animals being tortured and killed. Like WTF? And I admit that I can be selfish, but at least I'm unselfish enough have thought about my actions and became vegan accordingly, unlike him. He refuses to even talk about these things. And I'm well aware that I can be selfish, while he is point blank refusing to even think about the animals' suffering. I don't know that one should compare selfishnesses (it's a word now), but... actually, HE should compare them, because my not wanting to always share whatever or wanting to be bothered to do stuff for him (the only ways I can think of that I'm selfish) is like fucking NOTHING compared to the horrors he supports. For entirely selfish reasons. (The only thing that can be said for him is that he has a special needs child and eating bread with eggs, cheese and butter is fast - but it's not like eating bread with tahini, peanut butter and say a chickpea omelette is much slower.)
Another killer argument was, "I don't kill them myself." No, you just pay someone else to do it for you, participating in the worst capitalist system ever that's the single biggest reason the planet is being destroyed, while also preaching about the evils of capitalism all the time. Never pegged him for a hypocrite either. He also said that he's more moral than I am. Uh, okay. Next time we have an argument I'll just go outside and pay someone else to skin a live cat so he doesn't have to face my emotions, and then we can all be happy 'cause hey, at least I chose the lesser of two evils. Fucking bullshit.
Basically I'm wondering what you all would do, and looking for support. There is still hope that he will become vegan; he said once that he has been thinking about it for the sake of the planet. That would be excellent, though it's still beyond my understand how he can just not care about the poor animals. He's otherwise one of the most stand-up individuals I've met; intelligent, kind, honest, but with this, he seems to have a major blind spot (or he just really doesn't care about animals, except the cute cats and dogs that are human companions). And it's upsetting me so much. We've been together 5 years and only now did I hear what he truly thinks. Well, not surprising, considering he has immediately shut down all discussion about animal rights before.
(Mods: I'm running out of internet time at the library, don't have time to find other tags! Sorry. Will tag more later.)
What do you think about the people who silently thank the animals before a meal for giving their lives so they—the humans—could be nourished?
Disturbingly, there are a lot of people like that.The Animal Kill Counter
I imagine you are all fans of tofu here. I was wondering if any of you have any great microwave recipes for it? I am not much of a cook and rely largely on my microwave to feed me, but want to eat more tofu. Any help would be welcome, thanks!
Many people admit they can't give up eating meat because it's too deeply ingrained a habit, and as long as meat and fish are sold, they'll gladly partake. Some even like to catch and kill their own meat and fish, and cite the "primal" feeling they get from the juicy deliciousness of it.
More than ever, I hear that there's no nutrient, not even vitamin B12, that can't be gotten from vegetable sources. I understand that people's dependence on meat—and dairy—is largely cultural, and "needing" meat is a result of choosing to get their nutrients from animal—not vegetable—sources. So what's the deal with the disconnect people have regarding "I love animals; they taste great!"
[Also, may I ask who is maintaining the tags in this community? It would help if we were able to sort where the posts came from, and it seems a lot of the tags came off a list with no community input. Is this true?]
Please support Afro-Vegan
cookbook rather than Thug Kitchen
. Here’s why:
”Bryant Terry is a chef, educator, and author renowned for his activism to create a healthy, just, and sustainable food system. Bryant’s fourth book, Afro-Vegan
was published by Ten Speed Press/Random House April 2014. Just 2 months after publication, Afro-Vegan was named by Amazon as one of the best cookbooks of 2014. In December it was nominated for an NAACP Image Award in the Outstanding Literary Work category.
If you want a taste of culture-rich, ethnic and truly vegan food, (Thug Kitchen
uses honey in some recipes), without the culture appropriation and perpetuation of negative and racist stereotypes about an entire community, consider getting Afro-Vegan
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Now, I know there are far more vegan-bashers than vegans—apparently vegans still only make up 3% of the total population of the world—but this was posted by an LJ user named harvey_rrit
:"PETA would like to kill us all.
Fortunately their brains are stunted from lack of taurine."
He claims eating beef can improve people's decision-making abilities, referencing India as a country that's fucked up because they won't kill cows.
Anyone feel like posting a rebuttal?
My sister and I made the decision to go vegetarian when I was just 11 and she was 12 (I don't even want to think about how long ago that is at this point, thank you very much), and then I made the move towards veganism at the age of 15, but she was not willing to make that step, unfortunately. Time has passed, and she is now the mother to my more-or-less wonderful nephew. He has been raised in her vegetarian ways, but now that he is going through adolescence, he has started hinting that he is thinking about going omnivore. I have, in an attempt to disuade him from this awful decision, started taking him to the gym and showing him just how awesomely powerful one can be on the vegan diet (not bragging, but I have been known to lift some serious amounts, LOL). He doesn't seem to be catching on to this helpful influence. What can I do to stop him from making this awful move?!?!?????
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I notice without exception that if you bring an unpopular opinion to a discussion group, the other users will dogpile on you and bully you without allowing you to speak your piece. They generally gang up and will say as a last retort: "Don't let the door hit you on the ass as you leave!" [This has happened to me in more than one community at LiveJournal, and stunned me at what jerks people can be under cloak of relative anonymity.]
I've mentioned here—but well over a year ago—that my terrier and two cats were all vegans and doing well with the diet. (The cats, naturally, were being fed a carefully-supplemented diet including VegiCat pHi to keep the pH of their urine low.)
Well, the dog still is vegan, and is healthy, but one of my cats—named Tripod—developed a recurring sore that kept losing hair; by the time the sore was the size of a quarter, I took him to the vet, who put the fear of god
in me for choosing to feed him anything but meat, and I relented and figured I'd try feeding him canned meat-based cat food in order to see if the hair grew back. [I know there's not a veterinarian in town that will recommend a vegan diet for cats under any circumstances, so I knew from the start I was on my own with this. It took me about a year to fully transition Tripod to vegan because I was so hesitant.]
The other cat—Stacy—refuses to eat her vegan kibble, naturally, when she sees Tripod get the Good Stuff™, so for the time being they're both being fed the same canned venison and rabbit—it turns out Tripod is also allergic to poultry, which touches off the reaction—but for now they're both eating heartily and Tripod's hair is growing back. I haven't closed the book on transitioning at least Stacy back to vegan, but I'm not in a hurry.
Here's a video of brilliant Tripod opening the bathroom door:
(crossposted from veganpets
[Also—is there any way to add tags to those already available? I'm not finding that the tags available are always appropriate.]
Hello, people who still use Livejournal. I checked the tags for this and found a couple somewhat helpful entries about managing a vegan diet in South America, but was hoping some people might have had more experiences to share since then.
My friend and I are planning a trip to Peru (just a week) in January. I am vegan and he is vegetarian. Rudimentary internet research indicates that vegetarianism isn't crazy easy there and veganism is downright challenging. My question goes out to anyone why has visited or lived there (or I suppose anywhere in South America) - how hard was it for you, really, to find vegan food? Did you bring any with you? (Trail mix, Clif bars, etc?)
Thank you, thank you, thank you in advance for any words of wisdom or experience.
Had anyone tried the Neat meat replacer products? What do you use instead of egg, do you need it as more of a binder or for texture?
I have been searching around the internet for a while for a vegan anti-chafing solution. I do longer runs (20+ miles in some cases) and it gets very uncomfortable, especially in warm weather situations.
Do any of you have any suggestions?
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We think not! New York
Magazine gives us a quick recap of the last 7 decades here
, and One Green Planet
is also promoting Year of the Vegan.
Even the Independent
in England is running an article
on this; it's certainly exciting to see, and since I've been watching the movement grow—at a glacial pace, I once complained to Rynn Berry
—since the late 90s.
I finally went vegan in 2001, and quit dairy first. What stories do other people have to share?
Today I went to Methodist Hospital in Brooklyn to visit Rynn Berry again; unfortunately he had already passed away. Apparently his family—maybe just his half-brother—had already been there and given authorization to pull the plug.
He will be sorely missed; I had fully expected him to pull through, and have been pretty bummed today at the thought I wouldn't see him ever again.
(I'd like to see a "role models" tag, if that's possible.)
Rynn Berry, the author of The Vegan Guide to New York City
, is in the intensive care unit at Methodist Hospital
in Brooklyn, and has been there for over a week. He was running in Prospect Park, and had some sort of attack; he apparently hit his head and lost consciousness. Because he wasn't carrying ID, he was only identified a couple of days ago.
A link to the incident can be found here
. I visited him in the hospital tonight; anyone in the NYC area who's interested in either meeting me at the hospital or visiting him there can message me. Because he's in Intensive Care, visiting hours are 24 hours.
...from the people who brought you www.humanemyth.org, The Witness
and Peaceable Kingdom
The purpose of the 50,000 Pigs campaign is to stand up for the 50,000 individuals bred into existence, confined, controlled, and sold into slaughter by Joe Maxwell, Vice President of Outreach and Engagement at the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS), and his business partners. These animals, and countless others being used and killed by HSUS’s collaborative partners in the meat industry, have been abandoned to their fate by many activists and organizations under the influence of HSUS.
With nobody else to advocate for them, will YOU be their voice?
Which one has a larger supply/variety of vegan-safe foods? My nearest Whole Foods is 39 minutes away and I love it. My nearest Trader Joe's is 35 minutes away but i've never been. Your thoughts on which is better?
I hear mixed things about soy milk, and I'm not sure if I should have this as a dairy substitute or not. I'm still new to the diet / transition part of veganism, but being vegetarian all my life, the main things that I've had to work on are dairy. And sometimes it's strange to find for example, ice cream or yogurt containing egg or gelatin - so weird to me! Anyway, I'd like to hear your thoughts on soy - IF I am not allergic of course, how many servings of soy milk is 'safe' or are the dangers of soy not true? It seems that for women it can be a danger, because it mimics the estrogen hormone, but I don't think I'm in any danger of that, or having excess estrogen...
Does the same go for other soy products, like soy beans, tofu? The only thing that's frustrating is the fact that, if I'm out, at say a café with friends, I have to pay extra for the soy milk in my coffee or tea, and I never understood that...
Anyway, I am allergic to tree nuts but I can handle coconut milk. I just wanted to incorporate soy milk more, but only if it was safe and healthy to do so. Thanks everyone!
This looks like an amazing documentary! I wish I lived somewhere I could see it easily.
Got this email from Animal Defenders International:
The Lion Ark movie is opening at the film festivals and this is your chance to be one of the first to see the "feel good movie of the year"!
More action adventure style than traditional documentary, Lion Ark tells the story of the undercover investigations,
the lobbying, the law and enforcement of the ban on animal circuses in Bolivia. Circuses that defy the new law are tracked down, animals saved and a joyous finale sees 25 lions airlifted to freedom.
This is a hugely important film for raising awareness about the suffering of animals in traveling circuses and it
shows how laws can be enforced. And for a change, the animals win!
Early reviews say: "Lion Ark is the feel-good movie of the year!" (Reel Talk); "one of your must-see films of 2013"
(The Independent Critic)
Hi all! I'm going camping for the first time ever (in Utah) in a few weeks, and this will be not only my first time camping vegan, but first time camping period! I've been vegan for almost 12 years, but have no clue where to start when it comes to camping.
What kinds of foods do I bring? We won't have access to a fridge to keep things cold. We'll be there for 3 days. Suggestions please! :)
When I was in Japan, it was so hard to be vegan so I would sometimes have these surimi cakes. Now that I've been pretty much vegan for a month, (been doing the PRNC Vegan Kickstarts, I find them helpful to get back on track and STAY on track!) I find myself craving something similar with this texture...and a good source of protein that won't be too bloating. Do you guys recommend soy based things, like maybe tofu, even some tofurkey? Tempeh?
I'd love to hear thoughts and snack ideas! Thanks guys.
Recently I've seen coconut milk and coconut yogurt, never knew / believed such a thing could exist!! I'll have to try those soon =)
So, this has been on my mind for years now and so I thought I'd ask this community about it, since y'all seem active and friendly about stuff.
Okay, to preface this, I believe that wilderness survival vegan-style, is totally doable. However, I can't back that up with experience or links to other people's experiences. And that's what bothers me. Not because it makes me doubt the feasibility of vegan wildness survival, but because I think we're lacking in a valuable resource of collective knowledge.
Now, there are a lot of websites and YouTube channels with information related to wilderness survival that is applicable to vegans. Edible and medicinal plants, fire-making skill, shelter, even tracking (you don't have to harm what you track, animals can teach you a lot in the wilderness, such as where to find food and water or what to avoid, even how to minimize your impact on the local ecosystem), etc. Offline in the woods, there are survival courses that allow vegans, but those are still carnocentric.
If you feel like being ethical about things, you're not gonna want to go because of the exploitation. Even just have some moral fibre, you'll be bummed, probably even nauseous. And even if none of that applies, time is being wasted by being focused on learning things not relevant to us (unless you intend to abandon veganism at the first sign of danger, like the straw-vegan in the arguments about apocalyptic scenarios) and possibly not focused on learning other skills that might benefit us more (skills a carnocentric instructor might not know, even).
So I guess my question is multipart:
Does anyone know of any vegan-centric survival course/repositories of info?
Is anyone interested in making such a thing happen? I think it could be a cool blending of ancient skills and herblore along with modern knowledge.
Does anyone have any questions about such things?
My son started school this year. ETA: He's only 4.5 and knows why we're vegan because "we don't need to use animals so we don't" and other simple and basic explanations.
The teacher seemed annoyed that we were vegan. She asked if I would make exceptions for some of her classes because "F is for Feather....you know, where we make crafts with feathers" and things like that. She also told me that one of the field trips is to a farm where they grow several crops, take a tractor hay ride, pick berries but also the farm produces eggs and milk (the kids get to collect eggs and milk a goat).
She told me that my son could opt out and stay home that day or I could join on the trip and explain to him why our family does not do such things and still get the other positive experiences of the trip. The farm doesn't gain anything financial from the class visit but does get to show "happy" animals where the kids will presume all animal products come from.
What would you do? Obviously my son would not be collecting eggs or milking goats and I know he would not put up a fight to do so. I think he would appreciate the rest of the trip but I'm still wary and unsure if attending while consciously avoiding exploiting animals is still ethical, or is going at all just not ethical because there is animal exploitation there?
Fwiw, we go to corn mazes in autumn which also have petting zoos. We did show my son how animals are kept and explain why it's not ideal (stress from visitors, separated from family (in the case of the calf alone in a pen where kids went and climbed all over him and I burst into tears). My son came away feeling that it was very wrong for the animals to live that life and while we've returned to the maze we have not gone back to bother the animals. Is it ethical to go to the corn maze at all...or not?
Then there's the huge amusement park every year where they have a show of trained dogs, a petting farm and a booth of exotic "educational" animals like snakes. Avoid the whole amusement park or just some of the independent areas where animals are exploited?
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requests. Please, let's keep up the pressure on this. If you know of anyone who can spread the word, let them know.
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question on gelatin, vs. kosher gelatin?
I've never been a huge yogurt fan, but i am so surprised to learn that a food that's usually entirely vegetarian, even, has 'kosher' gelatin added to it. i've seen it in some baked goods too, and wanted to know, does kosher mean it could be plant-based, i mean, come from some other source and not animal? is gelatin always meant that it derives from an animal source?
thanks you guys =)
also - i don't really like the taste of soy, and i'm allergic to all tree nuts. so almond milk is out, but what other non-dairy milks do you guys prefer?
(xposted to veganpeople