toodlepipsky ([info]toodlepipsky) wrote in [info]veganpeople,
2011-01-08 10:54:00
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A poster I made


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Feel free to spread it wherever you can. It's supposed to be a debate-rouser and draw people's attention to the humanitarian side of veganism, get them to come over and ask how the two are connected.
Please tell me if this is not according to community rules.


Crossposted to [info]veganism
Tags: -controversial topics, activism-activist tools-pamphlets/leafle, activism-social justice

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[info]lavajin

January 8 2011, 09:48:13 UTC 1 year ago

I like it, but it might be triggering to some members, I suppose if anyone else says anything, please put it under a cut.

[info]toodlepipsky

January 8 2011, 13:13:22 UTC 1 year ago

Yeah, you're right, better put it under a cut.

[info]cypherwulf

January 8 2011, 13:05:56 UTC 1 year ago

I think this would work better with a succinct caption explaining it. I don't think most people would really get it.

[info]toodlepipsky

January 8 2011, 13:15:54 UTC 1 year ago

I'm afraid of the dl;dr potential of an explenation since I can only come up with slogans or speeches....If you can think of a short and to-the-point fact filler I'd love to make one of those motivational posters out of it.
Right now it's a kind of a debate-rouser.

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[info]toodlepipsky

January 8 2011, 16:04:29 UTC 1 year ago

Uh...I really don't know how to respond to that. I mean...due to an unfortonate chain of historical events, third world countries are where they are, georgaphically, and are filled with the people they are filled with.

I'm not 'of color' but I am Israely and my country's been under British mendate for thirty years during which the seeds of our current conflict were planted and nurtured. I understand and resent the damage that has been done to undedeveloped countries by colonialism and there is no molecule in me that believes the state of extreme poverty in some of them has anything to do with their native inhabitants. Why would I?
I don't mind, I really don't and believe me I know some people can never be pleased, so this is your opinion and we can just agree to disagree.

Frankly, I can't wrap my head around your argument. I mean...That's where extremely hungry people are at the moment and they are the ones who need the food that goes to livestock. Deal with it. There are malnurished children and adults in Asian third world countries, too. Some in South America as well. If you really want to see skeletons with white skin on them I can rake up some pictures from the huge starvation in the USSR in 1933 but...you know....it was 1933....things changed since then.

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[info]february_15

January 8 2011, 17:15:52 UTC 1 year ago

I like the poster the way it is. I think it makes sense. :)

[info]february_15

January 8 2011, 17:25:16 UTC 1 year ago

while of course we simply are not gonna give the grain to starving peoploe instead of cattle.. but it should raise concern that there is a complete waste of resources being used to produce just one pound of meat.

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[info]miss_bonzai

January 8 2011, 18:42:02 UTC 1 year ago

For those who are offended by this, I think this this is a really complex issue and I'm having trouble making sense of it. So I'm curious - and please understand, I am *genuinely curious*/no sass or snark here.

Do you think that there is a way of presenting images of starving persons in a way that could not be accused of being "oppression porn"? I believe that starving people in underdeveloped countries need help from wealthy people in developed countries, but maybe this itself is a privileged position? I also believe that it's important for wealthy peoples to be exposed to images from the rest of the less-than-wealthy world (again, maybe you disagree?). But the truth is that the people in these places just aren't white. So how does one navigate that in a non-offensive way?

[info]toodlepipsky

January 8 2011, 18:55:00 UTC 1 year ago

Thank you very much. Honestly, some of the comments here made me think of this joke I love: (bear with me please)

A man comes to a shtetel with a big bag. He climbs to the top of the water tower, takes a long rope from his bag and ties it to the water tower. He climbs down and goes to the only church's bell tower, climbs it and ties the other end of the rope there. By now people are starting to gather and see what's going on.
The man takes a unicycle from his bag and starts cycling on the rope back and forth between the two towers. Not a word, a single clap or cheer from the audience.
Sighing, the man takes a violin from his bag, climbs the unicycle again and starts cycling back and forth while playing Vivali's Four Seasons. The crowd says nothing.
Angry, the man takes out a metal wire, ties the unicycle to the rope and startes riding and playing again only this time upside-down.
When he's finally too giddy to prefome, the man stops and aes a few bows before the by now huge audience.
After a long and cold silence, finally one man turns to his friend with a frown and says "He's no Mozart."

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[info]xvx_dagda_xvx

January 8 2011, 20:38:08 UTC 1 year ago

I'm just going to say that my first reaction on seeing this was thinking it was an anti-vegan poster (take care of people before taking care of animals).

I'm not going to go into the other arguments people have made, but I think it's not a poster that should be used and I don't think it's at all effective in promoting veganism.

[info]february_15

January 8 2011, 20:52:37 UTC 1 year ago

I think it is effective... I didn't look at it as anti vegan because I figured for people who care a lot about animals, then clearly not eating meat would be the way to go. But for people who are more into caring for people and say that these animals are meant to be eaten, or that they are "just animals" or so on, that showing the effect it has on other people would be a good idea.

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[info]asmallplanet

January 9 2011, 03:41:21 UTC 1 year ago

That was my interpretation also, out of context of the vegan livejournal feed I have.

[info]february_15

January 8 2011, 20:39:43 UTC 1 year ago

Is everyone offended that these children are black? I don't understand the negativity...

Clearly, the children in the photo are starving, whether their skin is black or white, they are still starving. Which was the point of showing starving people without resources vs wasting resources by feeding cattle...

When you think starving countries, what countries do you think of first? I want to hear some ideas of countries with vast amounts of starving people.

[info]february_15

January 8 2011, 20:42:12 UTC 1 year ago

If you are going to find a photo of starving children, you may start with a google search. This google search of "starving children" lead to one full page of black, african origin children. I didn't look much further.

Sure there are starving people everywhere, even in the US.

[info]toodlepipsky

January 8 2011, 20:51:26 UTC 1 year ago

Is everyone offended that these children are black?

Yes. The world is full of Americans so the American way of thinking is the only one that can possibly exist so obviously this poster will only meet an American reaction. I'm sure a lot of Americans would be very offended that someone thinks them so bigoted that they need every messege to be simplified and PC-ed to death so that absolutely NO misunderstandings and jumps-to-conclusions might be made.

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[info]littleghost45

January 8 2011, 22:07:25 UTC 1 year ago

If the children were white, then people would be upset because only the plight of white, starving children was considered.

[info]danneeness

January 9 2011, 00:14:04 UTC 1 year ago

I find it flippant, offensive, and frankly, not effective at all. The blurb is effective, the poster itself is just weird.

A) Should I feed an adorable cow or starving children? What the hell? What kind of weird question is that? I happen to like both children and cows and rather not starve either. I agree with the VOC post that the LOLCat font makes it seem like it's supposed to be a joke, too. It's really unclear what you're trying to suggest. (I know what you're trying to get across, but it's not effective.)

B) The photo of these starving children seems flippant. I always find it distasteful when people use graphic images to make a political point. Like the anti-abortion acitivists with the fetus pictures. It's not a good way to make a statement, and this seems to be only using these people's struggles for your personal political point. It's not likely becoming vegan directly helps these people. Yes, sure, I agree that raising cattle for food is a waste, but it has nothing directly to do with the people that you are using, without their permission, for your political agenda.

C) I am disgusted by the way you have responded to people who are offended by this. You can't seem to grasp that just because you don't find it offensive doesn't mean that it isn't. Using a photo of someone who's suffering to prove your (unrelated) point, without their permission, is insensitive.

So no, I'm not a fan.

[info]hallwayjulie

January 9 2011, 00:26:25 UTC 1 year ago

This is a great comment and does well to explain the problems with this.

[info]distilledvanity

January 9 2011, 18:16:39 UTC 1 year ago

this is more effective...



I like that you took the time to make a vegan poster but it is confusing and there are much better and clearer ways to make that same point like in the picture above.

[info]lavajin

January 9 2011, 19:05:29 UTC 1 year ago

Re: this is more effective...

Like

(dern fb)

[info]lyras

January 10 2011, 00:58:47 UTC 1 year ago

While I appreciate the sentiment behind the poster, I have a major problem with the juxtaposition of those two images. Reducing people of colour to an image of starving children and placing it side by side with cattle is offensive on many levels.

Yes, world hunger is a problem, but I don't think this poster is the way to go about solving it.

I would also like to politely suggest that when you post something pertaining to people of colour and people of colour take issue with it, the appropriate response is to listen and try to understand why, not flail defensively.

[info]stillicides

January 10 2011, 17:13:50 UTC 1 year ago

So basically, you want to use a picture of starving (presumably African) black children, without their permission, in order to promote veganism.

And you really don't see why that's offensive? I get the point you're trying to make, but this is a horrible way of going about it.

[info]yellowsummers

January 13 2011, 23:54:15 UTC 1 year ago

Idea for better graphic: bowls full of vegan food vs. equivalent amount of steak. The same bottom text could be used.
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